The Knowledge of Ounces: Inexperienced Grass, White Powder & Black Sabbath
by means of Chris Simunek

While you glance again on the historical past of rock’n’roll, it’s nearly completely populated by means of folks from two classes:
- The ones Who Were given Fucked Up, and
- The ones Who Were given Actually Fucked Up.
For the latter a part of the ’70s and all the ’80s, Ozzy Osbourne was once the Chairman of the Board for class quantity two. I realized of his legend the way in which most children my age did—from pimple-faced geeks in denim jackets with their favourite album painted at the again. The tale was once all the time informed with the right reverence: He invented heavy steel, he drank so much, he did a large number of medication, made some nice albums, was once kicked out of Black Sabbath for being a loser after which he went solo, bit the top off a chicken, bit the top off a bat, pissed at the Alamo, had a guitarist that died in a freak aircraft crash, went via a length the place he seemed and dressed a little bit like Liz Tay lor, and now he’s sober and somewhat a hit, albeit just a little shell-shocked.
At the heels of his a hit Ozzfest excursion, a touring roadshow that has packaged the likes of Marilyn Manson, Device, Sort-0 Damaging and Pantera, Ozzy shocked his enthusiasts with the announcement of his reunion with the opposite contributors of the unique Black Sabbath lineup: guitarist Tony Iommi, bassist Geezer Butler and drummer Invoice Ward. It’s one thing they’d been threatening to do for a decade, however the unique Sabbath hadn’t performed in combination (except a Are living Help look) since 1979. On December 5, 1997, they performed of their fatherland of Birmingham, England, a town of trade that makes Pittsburgh seem like Paris, and recorded the display for his or her new reside double-disc set, Reunion.

THE FOLLOWING INTERVIEW GOES TO “II”
Ozzy and Tony Iommi had been in New York just lately for a Letterman look and a meet-and-greet on the new Virgin Megastore in Union Sq.. When their folks contacted HIGH TIMES a couple of conceivable interview, I believed it was once a prank. I imagined some highschool enemy of mine on the different finish of the road— “Yeah guy, Ozzy needs to hang around and do bong hits with you guys after which Alice Cooper’s gonna drop by means of with a pair peyote buttons…” Verifying my assets, I discovered it was once true, Ozzy did have one thing to mention to his bonghitting brethren, and was once looking ahead to us in a collection on the St. Regis. Now not short of to adopt such crucial undertaking by myself, I invited Rob Braswell, HIGH TIMES’ manufacturing director/token metalhead, to enroll in me. What Ozzy and Tony needed to say to us we weren’t positive, however we weren’t going to move up a possibility to take a seat and chortle sycophantically on the ft of our gods.
We arrived early and had a couple of Berliner weissbiers on the Outdated King Cole bar to calm our nerves. As we mentioned what questions we will have to ask our favourite air-guitar jamming companions, we each agreed this wasn’t a song interview. If you wish to know what Ozzy thinks of the brand new album or the place Tony nicked the riff to “Iron Guy,” move learn Guitar Participant. We would have liked stories of rock n roll debauchery, not anything extra, not anything much less. Ozzy’s folks known as the bar and knowledgeable us that the King of Doom was once in a position to peer us. within the foyer, we had been met by means of a publicist who informed us that Ozzy was once in poor health of speaking about his indiscretions at American nationwide landmarks and his previous cruelties to the animal kingdom. It was once implied {that a} excellent interviewer may wish to avoid such topics.
“Don’t fear,” I informed her. ”I simply wish to speak about medication.”
Ozzy and Tony had been completing up a prior interview after we walked into their suite. They had been each wearing vintage black with huge crosses dangling from their necks, sun shades overlaying their eyes.
“Are you rolling but?” Ozzy cracked as we entered.
While you meet Ozzy, it’s more or less like shaking the hand of a person who simply got here out of a 30-year panic assault. His arms tremble, his voice stutters, however believe the way you’d really feel for those who’d spent over a quarter-century in a drunken stupor, screaming your ass off in entrance of a wall of deafening amplifiers, tweaked on sufficient central-nervous-system stimulants to jump-start Walt Disney’s cryogenically frozen middle. Having heard that Ozzy was once totally sober, I requested him if his rolling observation was once only a funny story.
“Why, you were given any?” he inquired.
“In fact,” I mentioned. “You suppose I’m going to come back to this interview emptyhanded?”
“Is there any grown in New York?” he requested.
“Yeah, positive,” I mentioned.
“What I used to do was once nip each and every different leaf so it could develop out as an alternative of up.”
I smiled. Ozzy had given us a real develop tip.
“What did you do?” I requested. “Develop it open air?”
“Yeah,” Ozzy mentioned with a smile. “However then I were given paranoid.”
The phrase hung there, begging a reaction.
“Yeah… to coin a word. So I’ve were given to invite you about Candy Leaf. The place did that come from?”
“Neatly, what do you suppose?” Ozzy laughed. “We used to smoke kilos of the shit, guy. We used to shop for it by means of the fuckin’ sackful. We was once so fucked up at all times. Get up within the morning, birth the day with a spliff and move to mattress with it. Yeah, it began to get… I began to get the heebee-jeebees. I used to be blending a wide variety of alternative chemical substances. Booze, coke, drugs…”
“Do you notice a distinction between pot and different chemical substances?”
“Completely,” he mentioned, waving his cigarette. “This, for example, tobacco. I couldn’t smoke as many joints an afternoon as I will this fuckin’ stuff. Gotta legalize pot. I’m interested in the legalization of pot, decriminalize it. I don’t smoke it myself, but when anyone needs to smoke it, nice. I were given busted for it. All of us did.”
“Talking of busts, what was once it like for Black Sabbath to move via Customs within the ’70s?”
“Lovely horrifying.”
“Did you guys ever must drop trou?”
“Oh yeah. I consider one time we went from Detroit to Canada in the course of the tunnel. I grabbed one of the vital guys and requested him, ‘Have we finished all of the medication?’ Then I am going via my luggage and empty them once more and, consider them pipes you should get with a fish pump? You were given like a fish-tank pump and these kinds of wires and you place the pot in and also you simply suck at the pipe. They discovered that.” Ozzy hit his cigarette and chuckled. “Giant rubber gloves, the entire 9 yards. For fuckin’ smoking pot, guy.”
“Do you get extra paranoid within the States?”
“I simply get paranoid,” he mentioned. “Once I do coke I’m like Mr. Paranoia. I’m fucking scared shitless. While you mix it with Demerol and opiates you get actual fucked up, you already know? You suppose to get commonplace, it’s important to get top. Anything else carefully, however with cocaine I couldn’t.”
“It makes for excellent VHi documentaries despite the fact that,” I commented. “You guys within the ’70s had a rep for taking essentially the most period of time to file data.”
“We had been fucked up!” Ozzy laughed at the most obvious.
“Which file took the longest?”
“Oh, I don’t know,” Tony replied, no longer as inspired by means of Sabbath’s extra doubtful accomplishments as I used to be.
“We went to Canada one time, uh…” Ozzy checked out Tony to lend a hand him pull the reminiscence out.
“By no means Say Die.”
“By no means Say Die took fuckin’ endlessly,” Ozzy mentioned, and the 2 of them giggled like children remembering a specifically naughty Halloween prank. “We were given this man coming round giving us luggage of cocaine each and every fuckin’ Wednesday and we’d be like—” Ozzy clenched his face like a coke-freak frozen in motion.

“Oh yeah,” Tony mentioned. “Once we began out the albums had been fast after which…” He shrugged his shoulders, as though there was once not anything that may be finished about it now.
“With coke,” I puzzled, “wouldn’t you file the album rapid?”
“You’d do it and then you definitely’d disregard what you had been doing!” Ozzy mentioned guffawing. “We couldn’t flip the fucking tape system on! We’d flip like pause’ on as an alternative of play/file,’ you already know. We’d be enjoying for fuckin’ twenty-four hours.”
“Those neat little luggage,” Tony mentioned, reminiscing, “Simply chop us any other line out! Get any other can of beer out the refrigerator! Roll any other joint!” Ozzy shouted. “We used to smoke blocks of hash. Giant fuckin’… we used to shop for hash by means of the pound.”
“And coke,” mentioned Tony. “We used to shop for those sealed bottles of coke.”
“Govt-sealed,” Ozzy added. “We rented this area in Bel Air and we simply had those fucking applications as much as right here—” Together with his arms Ozzy indicated a pile in regards to the measurement of a Volkswagen. “It would are available in like giant gallon-bottles with a spoon on it, lined with a seal of wax. This coke was once the most efficient coke that I’ve ever had. I’m mendacity by means of the pool at some point and I met this man and I ask him You wish to have to do a little coke?’ He is going, No no no.’ I’m whacking these items up my nostril, it’s a super sunny day, and this man’s sitting there with a type of reflectors underneath his chin getting a suntan. I say, What do you do?’ He says, I paintings for the federal government.’ Uh… what do you do with the federal government?’ I paintings for the drug squad.’ I sez, You’re fucking joking. He displays me his badge. I fuckin’ flipped. I used to be fuckin’—” Ozzy slammed his fist in his chest like a raging heartbeat. “Flames had been popping out of my arms, guy. He says, Oh you’re all proper, I’m the fellow that were given you the coke.’
“All of us were given fucked up however me and Invoice went fuckin’ a little bit bit additional,” Ozzy endured. “Invoice ended up in a psychiatric fuckin position. Invoice’s antidrug, antidrink, antieverything now. He don’t mince his fucking phrases both, you already know.
With the coke and these kinds of chemical substances. 1 were given a chemical imbalance in my mind. I’d grow to be truly shaky. I’ve to take Prozac and quite a lot of drugs simply to stabilize me.”
“So that you by no means drink, or each and every every now and then you’ll have one thing?”
“I don’t drink at the moment’. Each and every every now and then is like… I’ve finished OK thus far, you already know’.
I’m no longer going to mention Til by no means drink once more.’ I don’t know. Once I’m doing a display’ and I will scent that wonger out within the entrance, it does tempt me. Something in regards to the cocaine, despite the fact that. It used to isolate you and also you used to stick on your room paranoid. You purchase a bag of white powder and the paranoia quickly follows.”
“I’ll by no means do it once more,” mentioned Tony, remembering a promise he as soon as made.
“And whilst you listen the ones birds going within the morning tweet-tweet you need to get a fucking system gun and shoot each and every chicken in sight.
When the day breaks it’s terrible. And what do you do whilst you get up? Snnnnnnmmmmfff. Like a fiend, you already know.”
“Why is it that such a lot of rock stars crack up?” I requested. “Isn’t it meant to be the most efficient process on the planet?”
“What different process are you able to believe the place the extra fucked up you flip up, the easier folks suppose you’re gonna be? Oh fuckin’ Tony’s stoned or Ozzy’s stoned or Invoice’s stoned… it’s going to be excellent a laugh this night.’ An excessive amount of of the rest, sooner or later you pay a value. If you happen to play now, you pay later, I don’t give a fuck what it’s.”
“Is it tough to be sober this present day?” I requested, sensing just a little of feel sorry about in his voice.
“It sucks,” he answered bluntly. “I don’t like being sober, however say you chopped some strains, I’d move, ’Yeah, I’ll opt for it.’ Through twelve o’clock I’d be striking off the fucking development screaming with a bottle of vodka in my hand. When I birth I will’t fucking prevent. I gotta move all of the means, you already know.”
“So what do you do now to fill the space?”
“Play with my dick,” Ozzy replied with amusing. “Within the ’70s there was once a large time period after I used to drink affordable wine and do ludes. I’d be like fucking jelly and the target market could be like a pond, a fucking oil slick. They had been sweaty fuckin’ downed-out fuckin’…” Ozzy trailed off, as though he may just nonetheless see that placid sea after which requested, “Did you ever check out the unique Quaaludes?”
The cooler part of Black Sabbath skilled their eyes on me and for a second I felt like a crimson, new child fetus. “No,” I replied with disgrace. “That’s a little bit bit sooner than my time.”
“They had been fucking superb, weren’t they?” Ozzy mentioned after which seemed to Tony for affirmation. “I may just nonetheless get them,” Ozzy introduced. “I do know any person who iced over 10000.”
“Iced over them?” I pictured a thin hipster with sunken cheeks stocking up on 714s in order that when the arena’s methaqualone provide ran out, he may just upward push from his bunker and be the Lord of the Lucies.

I used to be working out of questions and must wing a couple of.
“We had been questioning like…” I combed my beery cranium for a related matter. “Neatly, since Meatloaf got here out with Bat Out of Hell II and Frampton got here out with Frampton Comes Alive II, would you ever pop out with Quantity IV, II?”
“No,” Tony replied as though I will have to know an artist of his caliber doesn’t repeat himself like that.
“I don’t suppose so, no,” Ozzy mentioned, brooding about the query sooner than a smile break up throughout his face and he set free any other tremolo giggle. ” Quantity IVII, yeah. Quantity IV1/2 * 2… he-he-he.
“We had a query about like, uh… heavymetal style within the ’80s.”
“Oh, don’t,” Ozzy began. It was once clearly a sore matter.
“What was once up with that?”
“I glance again at a few of the ones issues and I used to be consuming a huge quantity of booze. On a daily basis I might drink 4 bottles of Hennessy, a case of Budweiser and as a lot fucking dope as I may just get down my fucking face. Up to I may just. I used to be overdosing each day.” Ozzy laughed once more on the considered it. Not like different sober-rockers, he nonetheless will get a kick out of his previous.
“That’s the place the humorous garments got here from?” I requested.
“I feel that’s the place the humorous the whole thing got here from,” he replied. “All of us idea we seemed cool. Now we have a look at ourselves—homosexual wasn’t even the phrase. Homosexual folks used to come back to us and say, What are you fucking doing, guy?’ ” Ozzy contemplated for a second and mentioned, “It’s all a part of the loopy global of rock’n’roll.”
I made the error of citing the time Ozzy placed on a get dressed and redecorated the Alamo and he visibly cringed. It was once like asking Achilles to copy the tale in regards to the time he fucked up his heel. He was once rather appeased after I knowledgeable him that this incident was once now a spotlight of the Alamo excursion. In the beginning he didn’t imagine me, however I swore to him {that a} Texan good friend had simply observed it.
“They will have to put it within the Guinness Guide of International Information.” introduced Tony.
“Your individual indelible mark upon American historical past,” I mentioned and a proud, impish smile unfold throughout Ozzy’s face. Our time was once working out, so we requested Ozzy to autograph a couple of data. I passed him my crushed replica of Paranoid. With a quivery hand Ozzy scrawled “Get Stoned” around the gatefold after which signed his identify. It was once recommendation from knowledgeable.
Go into reverse on the Outdated King Cole, Rob and I felt invigorated, like we’d simply been to the Rock’n’Roll Physician and he’d given us a shot of Diet Cool.
“He was once identical to I imagined,” Rob cooed.
“Yeah,” I mentioned, my eyes filled with butterflies. {That a} man may just undergo what Ozzy did and nonetheless be on most sensible was once greater than good fortune, it was once rattling as regards to a miracle. When the going were given tricky, he dressed up in ladies’s clothes and pissed on nationwide landmarks.
I determined from that time on to take a look at and be extra like Ozzy.
He has a message for folks like me: If you need a yellow brick highway to practice, it’s important to pause from time to time and paint the stones your self.